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Post by Cleophie on Oct 21, 2007 11:53:06 GMT -5
Since this has already been exacerbated by action without discussion, let's talk about what we need to do to defuse this situation.
My thoughts.
1) If she's really suicidal, she needs help. Not the "busy husband holding her hand" help, not the "LS sackholders telling her it'll be alright" help, real psychiatric help. I'm not sure what we can do in that regard.
2) As unfortunate as her situation is, our rules don't discriminate one way or the other based on what happens outside the game. We can't make exceptions, and we can't start drawing arbitrary lines about what "good" excuses are versus "bad" ones. Basically, her private life isn't (and shouldn't) be our business.
3) Naki shouldn't have been kicked, but it's a little late for backpedaling now, at least without a damn good reason. My explanation would be that Kupo has posted for Naki many times in the past, and she made it quite clear (to us) that Naki was no longer interested in Dynamis and that he would not be attending on his own character any more. Given that she specified Dynamis and not the game in general, we took that to mean that he was simply not interested in being an LS member any more, and that the only way his character would be attending would be if Kupo was playing it. This keeps the door open to just say it was a misunderstanding, should we decide to.
4) We need to emphasize that if things are as serious as she claims, that the last thing she should be worrying about is lotting rights in a video game. Naki already was on probation, and Kupo's not in danger of falling to it for another month, so it's unlikely that anything that happens now is going to greatly change their status. It's trivial to sort things out AFTER everything is back to normal, it's just not worth worrying about in the middle of what she's going through.
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Post by Circan on Oct 21, 2007 14:55:00 GMT -5
At least two sackholders should meet together with Kuponutz in game and have a discussion about why it was assumed Naki was leaving RB from the content of her public post. We should also ask Kuponutz to have Naki send a PM to a sackholder concerning his plans with FFXI.
As for the suicide comment, we should have never been told anything to do with it, it's none of our business and we should not get involved. Two reasons: 1) It's hard to tell if someone is serious about a comment like that on the internet. 2) The only course of action I can think of would make a bad situation worse. One of us could call their local police department and tell them what is going on (they'd need to know kupo's real name for anything to really happen, otherwise the department could only ask SE for a release of billing information concerning Kuponutz's account). At which point they could then forward the information to the appropriate jurisdiction of Kupo's residence who would then perform a courtesy wellness check. The department doing the wellness check would also have to inform child services of the reported suicide attempts, which would probably bring them out to perform a wellness check on the children. If there's anything which might be problematic the simple result maybe be Kupo/Naki would lose their children and might go to jail or spending weeks going through court hearings. Not exactly a direction to take this with only a single post on a forum for evidence.
Also, this should NOT EVER be mentioned to anyone who cannot read this forum, and after this discussion is finished, this post should be removed.
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Post by Caskaa on Oct 21, 2007 23:10:10 GMT -5
When was naki kicked?
Was this discussed in these forums and I just missed the discussion?
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Post by Cleophie on Oct 22, 2007 0:44:57 GMT -5
When was naki kicked? Was this discussed in these forums and I just missed the discussion? topic covered the answer is no nack will be removed from the current members list then, if later down the road he wants back into the shell he will have to reapply and his points will be reset... thread locked |
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Post by sahearniitth on Oct 22, 2007 7:25:16 GMT -5
As far as Naki being "kicked" I am with Cleo on going with it being a misunderstanding. Based on what Kupo posted it was blatantlly obvious that the only way "Naki" would be playing is if Kupo was playing him. This goes against our standards in the past and so we informed Kupo that it was not acceptable and since Naki was not interested anymore in Dynamis he would simply be taken off the roster.
In regards tgo Kupos PM I dunno what to say. Like others have said if shes been in that state of mind the LAST thing she or naki should be concerned with is items and competition ingame. If anything this should be conveyed to her/them.
Finally going back to the whole Naki situation its a big mess at this point. Based on what Kupo has posted as well as based on recent complaints those who say that Naki has been 2boxed in the last few months for runs will scream bloody murder if Naki is put on the active roster with his current points (which basically gurantee him a BLM hat if one drops when he is on). In addtion Kupo is basically BSing about him not bidding on stuff and not selectivelly attending. If you look at Nakis attendence this year its pretty obvious which zones he targetted especially leading upto the first time I talked with him about his lack of attendence and over 80% of the time it was for zone where he bid on stuff like -1, belt, hat etc.
My recommendation would be that Kupo be told that if there is such RL issues going on then Naki needs to not half ass those and half ass attending. He should be 100% focused on his RL and not "trying" to make runs to stay comeptitve as she indicates. In addtion she should be made aware that Nakis attendence and peformance have both been borderline and if not for the RL considerations we made he would have been kicked a while back especially given the nature of the job he is mainlotting.
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Post by Aceris on Oct 22, 2007 13:46:12 GMT -5
You know I don't understand why we are dragging this out more then we have to.
Facts:
Naki has been removed from the active roster as of current time.
Naki has been selectively attending runs for the past year.
Membership has been complaining about his "skills" as of late.
Naki is no longer a "solid" contributer to the LS.
Kupo "hinted" that Naki is no longer "interested" in coming to dynamis.
Given the above facts I really don't see a reason why we should be even considering or thinking about reinstating naki. Regarding of who,what or why Naki was kicked you can pick any of the above and state it as a reason and get it over with. If Kupo really wants to drag out this ugly fight we can just "ask" the membership to help out by polling them for his reinstatement. If the general membership really feels he was "wrongfully" kicked then they'd vote him back in otherwise I stand by "our" decision to have him removed from the active list.
Oh and btw not that I play all that much and should be spewing out a pet peeve. But ya know when a member is removed or will be removed I'd like ample notification next time. Not that I think it was wrong to remove Naki I just feel as a SH I should at least be notified of such actions in the LS before it actually acted upon.
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Post by Circan on Oct 22, 2007 15:22:02 GMT -5
We didn't kick Naki, Kupo said, "Naki isn't interested in dynamis anymore" which sounded like, "I, [Naki], quit, but don't have the balls to tell you guys myself," to most of the sacks. So we just assumed he was gone. Naki himself has not said anything to anyone at this point (as far as I know), leaving us little reason to consider this apparent disjuncture anything but true. From what I have heard, Naki is almost exclusively played by Kupo dual boxing him, so it's suspicious that she'd say he quit, but he wants to come back only after we said no to a gear-whore idea which would directly benefit her...
Speculation aside, someone needs to speak with Naki and see if he was actually being spoken for by Kuponutz in that post or not. If he seems indifferent to being out of RB, I don't see why we shouldn't just find him a replacement anyways. Dynamis isn't that popular anymore, but I'm sure there is some BLM we don't hate who'd like to join us and would come more often.
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Post by Circan on Oct 22, 2007 15:45:07 GMT -5
In case someone missed it, Kupo added this follow-up post into the AF2 section:
I just covered the chapter on manipulation in psychology.. so I'm just not going to say anything.
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Post by sahearniitth on Oct 22, 2007 15:57:47 GMT -5
Pfft circ.. go ahead and analyze it~
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Post by Aceris on Oct 23, 2007 6:59:41 GMT -5
Pfft circ.. go ahead and analyze it~ Don't encourage him you fool. |
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