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Post by Cleophie on Oct 15, 2007 11:07:30 GMT -5
This is the conversation I had with Duine after the run on Sunday.  Thoughts? |
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Post by sahearniitth on Oct 15, 2007 11:33:37 GMT -5
I really dunno what to do. Simple fact is that certain jobs are more in the spotlight. PLD calling is one of the most apparent things in the shell. Even with BLM sleeping (which is second most apparent) you have multiple people who can cover while with PLD you have 1 caller and any delays are noticed by every single melee in there.
Having said that it wouldnt be right to let Duine come WAR every run or not call at all since thats not fair to the other PLD mains. At the same time we have other members whos contribution has been less than ideal in other mainlots and we have never asked any of them to step down from a mainlot (but then again we always have others who can cover in their lot). Also asking someone to change a lot is alot more embarassing imo.
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Post by Deathrattle on Oct 15, 2007 11:43:46 GMT -5
sounds to me like Duin has some sort of mob locking on all the time, like autolocking, kinda like when you (cause i have not played on a pc for this game) press down the left analog stick and that locks onto a mob no matter what you do. camera movement and targeting are totaly messed up and only way to take it off is to let the mob die and depop or click the analog stick again.... i really dont know what else to sugest, but something needs to be corrected because i have never called in dynamis and i could do it faster then her.....
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Post by Circan on Oct 15, 2007 13:04:05 GMT -5
I think he/she should work out the problem or use the '*' key to unlock targets long before we need te next mob called, or not be calling. Even if she's lagging she could do just fine pulling hate off BLM so there's no need for her to come on another job..
On a side note please post larger text next time. ^^
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Post by Cleophie on Oct 15, 2007 13:51:01 GMT -5
On a side note please post larger text next time. ^^ Yeah, Photobucket "helpfully" automatically scaled it to make it smaller, it was a 1440x900 JPEG when I took it. I'll use a different host next time. On the subject of Duine, I don't think she can call, regardless of whether it's a hardware problem or "user error". Not really sure what we can do to "fix" the problem. |
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Post by Sumira on Oct 16, 2007 8:14:48 GMT -5
Calling is a lead role and it isn't easy. I always tried to help coach people through it in the tanking party.
One important thing to consider though, is that calling and tanking are two different things. Some people can do both so fluidly it boggles the mind...(Holyfork)
If Duinielle is a good tank but just needs time to learn to call faster, we should have someone else call. The sole purpose of a caller is to engage (this doesn't mean attack or tank) the enemy for a long enough time that all the non-afk people have a reasonable amount of time to /assist. After that, the caller can target their next prey and actually perform the call the instant the previous enemy dies.
The two things to master really, 1) know that you only have to engage the enemy for a short time (like 5 seconds) so that the /assist start attacking and 2) know the call order so that you can make fast decisions on the next target and have that enemy engaged prior to the previous mob dying.
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Post by sahearniitth on Oct 16, 2007 12:19:22 GMT -5
I agree with Cleo on the assesment that I dont think that Duines issues come down to a lack of skill but rather an incapability that cannot be addressed. Real question then is what do we do about it. It might be prudent to ask some of the long time PLD lotters on their opinion but I can see 2 options. Either we be asses and discuss with Duin about how its unfair for her to be lotting PLD if she cannot fullfill the duties expected. This may be a little harsh given that other members arnt penalized in such a fashion.
The other option is to not have Duin main call. Now while this is being more considerate I do have stipulations that I want to see if we go with this route. Even if Duin isnt main calling I expect to see her on PLD assisting with crowd control each time. It will already be unfair to the other PLD that she is never asked to main call and I dont want to give them the extra annoyance of seeing Duin on an alt job each time while they are asked to come PLD. If Duin cant do crowd control duties either than I really dont know what to say other than she should consider changing mainlots since she cant do any of the duties we expect of PLD. Someone might also want to check with her and discuss locking mobs and turning off effects and see if that helps with the freezing issue.
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Post by Circan on Oct 17, 2007 0:55:56 GMT -5
I guess I don't see why someone who plays pld, which isn't exactly a highly contested lot group, should be removed from it for a technical problem. As long as she does something useful, that's what really matters. Besides, everyone with voke should be helping with crowd control.
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