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Post by sahearniitth on Sept 20, 2007 16:23:55 GMT -5
I told DR we would discuss this on forums since I didnt have time after Dynamis last night. The previous concerns raised with the couple stemmed from suspicions/complaints of 2boxing. That thread can be found here.. rustybuckets.proboards38.com/index.cgi?board=SH&action=display&thread=1181255990Now while what we said there along the lines of being unable to prove remain, there are other indications/reasons to look into trying to resolve this situation. A number of people have raised issue with Littlenanakis performance in Dynamis namelly his dmg, gear choices, sleeping reflexes etc. It was pointed out that last night in Dynamis he didnt start nuking till after Kupo was done with her CS stun. Add to that Littlenanakis frequent (somtimes staggered with Kupo) AFK's and you have a pretty good case for him not conributing as expected in Dynamis. Add to that his attendence over the past few months of coming mostlly to Xarc and BLM belt dropping zones and we have some additional issues. Still the problem remains of how to deal with this properlly. Kupo has been in LS for over 2 years and so to outright say she is lying is a little rude IMO but the issues remain. Should we try to keep an eye on the two and figure out/establish a case for them 2boxing or at the very least not contributing as required inside of dynamis? Is there someone who can maybe talk to Kupo and Naki or knows of their situation in theie LS (ie does Naki play at ALL or is he just coming to Dynamis) etc. Any other thoughts/suggestions other than the outright lets kick them before they get more gear, which like I said. given Kupos time in shell might be a little rude. |
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Post by Deathrattle on Sept 20, 2007 18:29:19 GMT -5
i have known kupo for a very long time and to say she is a player with high moral standing something of a travesty, as she is one to stab you in the back and pretend it never happened...
point 1... this issue was brought to my attention months aggo by some one who would like to remane nameless in the shell, as the link to the last threads posting... this person said kupo and nack we're having issues with each other and kupo asked nack to leave... speculation i know but that was what i was told...
point 2.... i rarly see nack on anymore, and when he was on he would be doing his own thing and would talk to me from time to time... over the past 6 months plus i have not seen nack other then at kupos side, and what troubles me is he has not spoken one word to me in all the time....
point 3.... kupos lotting an item some smn drop in bubu that was intended for some one else being told to pass more then 10 times by different people and refusing to do so, stating after the run she thought she passed and was sory, granted nyx is not in the shell anymore and kupo is, but that is not the point...
point 4... nack's attendance is horid, and he is never at a run, from what i can remember with out kupo beiing there, so that fact alown can't prove anything, but his preformance durring runs is all fail, i cant trust him to do anything fast enough, or leave sleeping under his care without constantly feeliing he will wipe us...
point 5... gear it looks to me that nacks gear is all but gone, he was nuking am2 magic with a dark staff and in af1 body.... hell his stoneskin gear would put out better numbers then what he was nuking in... this has to stop
Solution: kicking them both whout question is well within my conscience of approate action, but i think i have a better idea ];o> place them both in leading roles durring a run... put kupo in the tank party as the rdm, and place nack in the blm party.... i will tell the other blm's to force dc so it's just him and I as blm, place Ali as the tank whm and i'll have her force dc as well placing the strain entirely on kupo and nack... this should in no way hinder then shell durring a city run and would in my mind prove what i have thought all along that nack is being dual boxed.....
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Post by Aceris on Sept 21, 2007 1:16:03 GMT -5
This secret plan sounds uber. Can I brd the main tank PT that run?
In all seriousness I don't know why we don't just kick Naki out and get it over with. Yes kupo's been in the LS for a long time but that doesn't mean we can't get rid of naki altogether. Why not just offer naki or whoever the hell is playing naki an ultimatum shape up and stay shaped up or gtfo. If Kupo's Rdm starts having the same issues do the same thing. I'm not sure why we gotta go through all this trouble.
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Post by Sumira on Sept 21, 2007 10:00:30 GMT -5
For what it is worth, I'll chime in with my opinion.
This hasn't been the first issue with dbing, whether or not it is true. We've also had many others in the past, Mekare/Maharet and Sharps/Siow for example. I don't think this instance is any more or less difficult to deal with. Unless you are Blackmamba/Naturalhealer who started the game as a dber and announced it to everyone, there really is no way for us to prove anything.
Ever since BM/NH was a member, who was actually really decent to deal with as far as db rights, the shell in general has always felt that a db player should only have 1 mainlot between their two characters. So with that in mind, it is understandable that since then, all the db activity has been secret and on the down-low. People that have access to multiple chars or simply db, want all their chars to have mainlot rights. This is why we are now in this situation.
Given all that, I don't see any justification in spending time persuing a db investigation. I agree with Aceris. If Littlenanaki is sucking balls during runs, tell him that you expect more from him or he is gone. If Kuponutz is sucking balls during runs, tell her that you expect more from her or she is gone. Beyond the frequency/context or their chat, there is really not much for us to base suspicions on and almost nothing to prove.
It doesn't matter how long you've been with the shell, if you come to runs and you're not "all there", then there isn't any need for you to attend. We don't just need bodies for runs, we need players.
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Post by Caskaa on Sept 24, 2007 15:45:45 GMT -5
All the secretive plans are a bit excessive.
Someone needs to just talk to her and ask her straight up if shes 2-boxing.
Guess I just volunteered!
Shes not on much but when I see her I'll ask.
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Post by Sumira on Sept 24, 2007 20:18:49 GMT -5
Thanks Caskaa o.o-b!!
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Post by sahearniitth on Sept 25, 2007 10:02:57 GMT -5
Meh, we have already talked to kupo about this last time these came up and she denied it then. At this point its less about 2 boxing and more about weather Littlenanaki is paying attention at runs (regardless of weather he is being 2 boxed or not) and weather he is "doing his job". We wouldnt let people skill up in Dynamis if we caught it, we wouldnt let RDMs melee over curing/sleeping so there is no reason to allow someone to nuke in full enfeeb/sleeping set constantlly. Bottom line is Naki is gimping runs and his attendence record is blatantlly showing favortism for CoP and Xarc (which means he can make runs on both days but skips zones he doesnt need stuff from) both which are grounds for removal if he doesnt address them.
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Post by Circan on Sept 28, 2007 15:12:05 GMT -5
Keep it simple.. ask him or "him" what is going on at the next run. If he refuses to comply, remove him. Easy way to solve it. Plus, the coordination of that type of DC isn't possible in this game and some of those people wouldn't DC b/c of AF2 concerns.  |
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Post by Cleophie on Oct 19, 2007 11:03:55 GMT -5
Would seem that this isn't an issue any more, given Kupo's post last night that Naki isn't interested in Dynamis any more.
Normally I would've made a thread here to discuss her "proposal", but I decided that a quick response with the obvious answer would be better to head off any conception that we were seriously debating allowing her to do such a thing. That said, anything about this that we need to talk about?
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Post by sahearniitth on Oct 19, 2007 12:42:58 GMT -5
No need to discuss it. Her "propsal" was laughable at best, moreso given the nature of BLM hat which is what Naki would be "competeing" for.
If she starts agressivelly arguing, like she tends to do, I will chime in too. But basically what you stated in your second post summarizes everything up. Allowing people to bring in alt chars will not only needlesslly inflate our lotting need without boosting contribution, it will also degrade peoples attitudes towards the shell in terms of loot whoring furthur and cost us those few members who arnt really lotting anything yet continue to contribute.
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Post by sahearniitth on Oct 19, 2007 14:03:12 GMT -5
Deleted the following posts in her thread, but for reference here they are
Worldwalker
Morwyne
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Post by Sumira on Oct 19, 2007 14:23:34 GMT -5
Kupo would be one of the ones screaming the loudest if someone else were doing this against her before she finished her RDM pieces.
So yeah, no matter how her perspective has changed since finishing RDM and SMN AF2, her proposal is extremely selfish.
I actually like Morwyne's comment. That is really how it is. If the player isn't interested then its over. If the character changes hands e.g. Delirium, then we reset the points and it is a reapplication. Nothing more, nothing less.
Our policy on dualboxing has never really changed. We typically allow it if the additional character isn't dragging down the ability of the player to perform on the original character, but the additional character has absolutely no rights in the shell and does not garnish any rewards. We even stopped allowing them all together most times because of the auto-loot stuff.
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Post by Deathrattle on Oct 19, 2007 15:26:11 GMT -5
problem is we loosing the wrong person imo..... i still feel that my earlyer post is still grounds for kupos removal from the shell!!!
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Post by Circan on Oct 19, 2007 19:07:04 GMT -5
I agree with what was said by you guys in the public thread, that type of agreement isn't acceptable and does not help anyone but kupo.
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Post by Aceris on Oct 19, 2007 21:25:40 GMT -5
OMFG hahahaha. I want what she's smoking. ;D
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