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Post by sahearniitth on Aug 3, 2008 2:03:36 GMT -5
Should we put Kanachan under partial penalties like I said on forums or waive them given that his reason for not attending were because he was hacked.
The reason I said we should still puthim on penalty is cause hes been gone for over 8months. I dont think a 4 run penalty was too harsh given that hes allowed to come back into BLM despite us having replaced him (techincally) and also seeing that I was ok with waving the -10dkp for extended absence.
Obviouslly I couldnt care less in his situation since it doesnt affect me. It also doesnt really affect the other BLM mains. However it does set a precedent and we might have people citing RL as being equally applicable for waiving the penalty.
If the other SH are ok with waiving all the penalties I will be posting a disclaimer that its only being done cause of the hacked situation and if anyone ever cites RL and what we did as a precendent they are SOL.
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Post by Cleophie on Aug 3, 2008 2:33:21 GMT -5
Perfectly fine with it being a special case for people who were hacked. They've gone through enough just trying to get their characters back. I think we should make it very clear that it's a specific exception, though.
Edit for clarity: I'm ok with waiving the restrictions altogether.
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Post by Deathrattle on Aug 3, 2008 4:36:32 GMT -5
well when i missed a month+ with my back being hurt i was on probation and i did not ask for a rule change because it was out of my control.
imo it was his fault he got hacked, if you dont keep your computer updated and secure badness is going to happen to it. why should we take away the rules for re-entering the shell, he is the one that put us out by not keeping his computer safe...
wave the rules if you want to this time but i only see problems coming because of it.
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Post by Cleophie on Aug 3, 2008 16:36:15 GMT -5
well when i missed a month+ with my back being hurt i was on probation and i did not ask for a rule change because it was out of my control. imo it was his fault he got hacked, if you dont keep your computer updated and secure badness is going to happen to it. why should we take away the rules for re-entering the shell, he is the one that put us out by not keeping his computer safe... wave the rules if you want to this time but i only see problems coming because of it. That was one of the most heartless and utterly inhuman things I've ever read. The guy's been waiting to come back to FFXI for 6+ months but completely unable because of how incompetent SE is, and you make him out to be the villain. Un-fucking-believable. Were you not hugged as a child or something? He's been punished for whatever mistake he made many times over over the past 8 months. The least we can do as his LS mates is avoid whipping him further. |
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Post by Deathrattle on Aug 3, 2008 19:24:15 GMT -5
heartless and inhuman lol guess you dont read alot of history....
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Post by Cleophie on Aug 4, 2008 0:57:13 GMT -5
heartless and inhuman lol guess you dont read alot of history.... Wrong, but thanks for assuming I'm ignorant because I don't agree with your fucked-up world view. Either way, I'm done arguing. If you're going to continue to post shit like that here, I'm not going to participate any more. |
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Post by Deathrattle on Aug 4, 2008 12:38:10 GMT -5
good lord cleo chill out no where in my post did i say anything about caring weather you agreeded with me or not. your the one taking pot sots at me, i thought this forurm section was so we could view our ideas and not get all uppety about others points of view...
i get called inhuman and heartless and your going to cry foul lol
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Post by Sumira on Aug 4, 2008 15:08:40 GMT -5
Differing opinions are expected, but hostility is not needed.
I agree with points from both sides. When you have a hard situation like this, I would resort to explicitly not changing the rule and allow the membership to take a poll. That way in the future, if someone says "well you did it for so and so" you can just say "the membership [at the time] allowed that one-time exception, but the rule was not changed".
I'm not trying to be stereotypical, but everyone I know that has had their account hacked in any particular game are generally in places they shouldn't be with their computer on the Internet (or shared their account). So in a way I can agree with the "they brought it upon themselves" idea, but at the same time, they are still a victim and no matter how you slice it, it is a game and they probably DO want to get back in and play like they once did.
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Post by sahearniitth on Aug 4, 2008 16:14:13 GMT -5
Actually a large number of people who got hacked were hacked caused of script exploits on Somepage, FFXiwiki FFXIAH or sites using Google ads (and some were hacked at major forums like BG). These were for years fairlly reliable sites so its not necessairlly a case of being somewhere you shouldnt.
Really what it comes down to is justifying that people who got hacked had less control over their absence than people who cant attend due to RL such a work schedule changes, medical reasons or classes that conflict with attendence times.
I think as a compromise based on comments here we should just go for a 2 run probation which is what Kana asked for as a consideration in his post. Hes already attended 1 run and 1 more wont kill him after being gone for 8 months. It will deprive him of a shot at THF feet if they goto sub70 if he wanted to spend the points but hell be back in lotting condition for Xarc which is where is presumable main goal lies.
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Post by Aceris on Aug 5, 2008 1:47:17 GMT -5
I"m actually on the fence on this one. To say "being hacked" for being out of his control and away from the game, giving him a bit of a leeway doesn't particularly sit well with me. I"m very sympathetic to his situation but in the same token I would be sympathetic to someone else that has real life, other issues thats preventing them from enjoying one of their favorite hobbies. If our LS had a more logical/reasonable/sympathetic core of players I"d perfectly have no beef with waiving the penalties altogether. But as it stands we have a core of players thats just absolutely DYING to jump on something like this and cry foul or favortism. I can't imagine people we've penalized in the past not going to take the opportunity to stir up more shit then is needed just because we waived him two runs from his penalty.
Personal note: I don't know maybe its the type of person I am but if I was hacked and gone for 8 months when I returned to the game the last thing on my mind would be to worry about being able to lot dynamis loot. I'd just be happy to have my account back and see what events I've been missing from the last 8 months. The fact that he deliberately asks us to waive 2 runs on his probations seems like he had it all figured/planned out from the getgo. This intrigues me somewhat.
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