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Katson
Nov 9, 2007 10:59:17 GMT -5
Post by sahearniitth on Nov 9, 2007 10:59:17 GMT -5
Katson sent this to Sumira who then forwarded it to me.
Normally I would tell him that we are full on BLM but given that he got 4/5 BLM NQ with us (missing windy gloves unless he gfot them before us), already has -1 hat (even though it drops plenty often to not care) and has NIN hands I dunno what to tell him since he wouldnt really be contributing to lot congestion. I assume (based on the items he already has and his point total) he is trying to go for a shadow item or somthing else. Anyone have any opinions or know if Katson has been going with another shell since he stopped showing up.
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Katson
Nov 9, 2007 11:31:43 GMT -5
Post by Circan on Nov 9, 2007 11:31:43 GMT -5
Katson was always a good guy when he was going with us. No idea as to what he's been doing while away or as to what his aspirations might be. If he wants to go to the shadow item competition group, that's his choice.
My question is will he be reimbursed his previous point total upon his return or not?
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Katson
Nov 10, 2007 1:40:01 GMT -5
Post by sahearniitth on Nov 10, 2007 1:40:01 GMT -5
I dunno. We let Norrec return after a hiatus of 11 months to his old point total. Katson has been gone ~14-15 months. So comes down to do we want to go with tradition or do we want to go with drawing a line for future applicants. He has 41pts in database atm. His point total along with what items he has got from us and his attendence can be seen here www.ffxi.us/rbdb/viewmember.php?s=&name=Katson
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Katson
Nov 11, 2007 9:51:00 GMT -5
Post by sahearniitth on Nov 11, 2007 9:51:00 GMT -5
Post more thoughts/opinions people. I want to be able to make a call soon after I get back.
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Katson
Nov 11, 2007 14:29:28 GMT -5
Post by Cleophie on Nov 11, 2007 14:29:28 GMT -5
I don't mind him coming back with full points and probation. If we're going to draw the line on future returnees, I'd prefer to do it when one isn't pending, to avoid any ideas that we changed it just for him.
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Katson
Nov 11, 2007 21:42:51 GMT -5
Post by Deathrattle on Nov 11, 2007 21:42:51 GMT -5
well he was doing runs with other shells after he left us... and i would like to add he just up and left us no kinda of post or nothing (at least that i know about) so his points should be wiped... if he wants to come back fine but he cant mainlot blm as we are locked arnt we?
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Katson
Nov 11, 2007 23:32:02 GMT -5
Post by sahearniitth on Nov 11, 2007 23:32:02 GMT -5
Concering BLM mainlot like I said he doesnt contribute towards NQ congestion much (if at all) and most of the BLMs havnt really been jumping at the chance of securing -1 AF2s (other than yourself) so I dont think adding him in as a BLM hurts anything.
Him going with another shell is another matter though. If it is true then he will have his points wiped if he still wants to join us under that stipulation so will need someone to reconfirm.
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Katson
Nov 12, 2007 1:31:53 GMT -5
Post by Sumira on Nov 12, 2007 1:31:53 GMT -5
All he ever told me before he left was that his girlfriend was pregnant and stuff was busier at work so he had to go on an indefinite break.
I don't think he mentioned other shells that might fit his altered schedule and I don't recall seeing him with other groups when I was still playing. But I was rarely online outside of our scheduled runs.
I could go either way on this. On one side, I don't see a problem with him on BLM given the recent shortages over the summer. I may even lean more towards keeping his points simply because I don't think it is the right time to changes precedents like Cleo mentioned. If we need to change, we should do it moving forward.
I guess based on what he told me, I see it as a welcome back type of thing. If he had told me that he was leaving for another shell and is now wanting to come back, then that would definitely be a point wipe / reapplication.
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Katson
Nov 12, 2007 9:12:33 GMT -5
Post by Aceris on Nov 12, 2007 9:12:33 GMT -5
The way I see it the reason we let Norrec return with his points intact had more to do with what he was mainlotting at the time which was Rng? an uncontested and pretty much always recruiting job class then it did as a welcome back present. Since/if we are allowing Katson to return to a Mainlot thats currently CLOSED we are already giving him a "special deal". Whether or not he went with another shell I feel that having him start from scratch would cause less headaches for us in the future for future returnees and backlash from membership discontent.
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Katson
Nov 12, 2007 10:59:57 GMT -5
Post by sahearniitth on Nov 12, 2007 10:59:57 GMT -5
The thing I think people are missing is that the ONLY reason we are even considering letting him back in on BLM is cause he doesnt need most (if any) BLM AF2. I would never even consider letting someone back if they needed BLM hat unless we had space. Katson got 4/5 NQ with us as well as -1 hat. That means at best he needs/wants belt and AF2 hands. AF2 hands have a low congestion rate (only 2 need, both of who were added to BLM this month) and BLMs havent really been jumping at the belt (or any other -1 other than legs). I said all this in my first post but people are refering back to shortages and special deals for Katson which I dont really think is the case. From my point of view its a way of adding a BLM without having to reprovide them with critical drops (or many drops).
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Katson
Nov 12, 2007 12:00:28 GMT -5
Post by Caskaa on Nov 12, 2007 12:00:28 GMT -5
He may have done dynamis with the WSZ shell.
That shell went defunct right before i joined WSZ so I don't know. If I see him on I'll ask.
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Katson
Nov 12, 2007 21:57:11 GMT -5
Post by Circan on Nov 12, 2007 21:57:11 GMT -5
I've thought about this for a couple days and will say that giving him back his points is probably a slightly more fair direction to proceed. Though, it's hardly perfect. We let members take breaks for extended periods of time - 6 months or more in a few cases - then gave them back points. He may have gone with another dynamis shell, but it doesn't sound like he would have been doing it other than to play with his linkmates in which case I think it's a pretty forgivable thing.
On a side note, since this could very well come up again, perhaps we should decide how we'll handle points returns in the future for people who officially leave the linkshell and return. But, perhaps another thread for that, eh?
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Katson
Nov 13, 2007 11:57:11 GMT -5
Post by sahearniitth on Nov 13, 2007 11:57:11 GMT -5
While its fair or not I am not opening the loophole that would allow people to go with another shell for however long or short a period and then come back here with the benifits of what they left with. It is very hard to get kicked from RB and going with another shell is one of the few things we have a clear line drawn out for. While its arguabllly the same to miss 1 year cause of RL or 1 year cause you went with another shell (end result being you wernt attending with us) I dont want to make it acceptable for people to go do runs with another shell for a while (be it with linkmates or not) and then come back and have their old point total here. At the very least I think we should cap their points but given how hard it is to get kicked from here I think a full point reset is perfectlly reasonable if he did go with another shell.
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Katson
Nov 26, 2007 14:43:42 GMT -5
Post by Caskaa on Nov 26, 2007 14:43:42 GMT -5
Katson asked about his status. I asked him if he minded taking a points hit if rejoining, and while he'd prefer not to, he's ok with it. Also, he's ok with Mainlotting NIN, if there was room...he never got his last piece of BLM AF whatever it was. He never rejoined another dynamis shell although he did attend WSZ dynamis a few times to help out when they were low on BLMs. He didn't lot anything during those runs.
I'm for adding him and putting him at 20 points or something, whatever is consistent with what we've done before.
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Katson
Nov 28, 2007 13:18:14 GMT -5
Post by sahearniitth on Nov 28, 2007 13:18:14 GMT -5
Based on discussion and my own opinions we can go ahead and reinstate him on BLM with a 20pt cap. Being gone for 15+ months and then wanting to come back and have the same points you did when you left is kinda ridiculous.
For future cases we should probablly go ahead and set up either tiered caps or % point reduction based on cutoffs for how long you were gone.
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